Van Darkholme Talks Kink, Directing Scared Models, and Being Asian In Porn

When he first started at KinkMen.com in 2008, Van Darkholme had to overcome a bit of a learning curve. “When I first started out here, I would sit up and draw pictures and write dialogue and plan all these bondage suspension ideas,” he explains, while sitting in a secluded spot in the massive Armory building that houses Kink’s studios and behind-the-scenes operations, “and then the shoot day would arrive, and the model would arrive and say, “I can’t do that. I got a shoot tomorrow. I got a shoulder injury. I can’t be suspended.”

Darkholme quickly realized he was wasting his time planning things out and soon thereafter decided to throw caution to the wind and improvise. When the shoot starts, he goes into work mode. Models will get tied up in shibari rope bondage, flogged, shocked, and fucked by multiple horse-dicked hunks, but there will also be messiness, new ideas, things that haven’t been seen before in traditional bondage videos. On a shoot set in a grocery store where someone’s gang fucked as revenge for stealing, a nearby watermelon is turned into a helmet that the victim is forced to wear while getting fucked. It’s this spirit of improvisation and a mental library of bondage fantasies that contributed to making Darkholme the ideal person to become KinkMen’s artistic director and an international BDSM icon, and also contributed to the site’s winning a Cybersocket Award for best hardcore/fetish site. Yet for someone who spends his days whipping, torturing and verbally humiliating other men, Darkholme is surprisingly self-conscious about his ability to give a good interview. “I’m not very hype-y and sell sell sell,” he explains midway through our hour-long talk, “I hope you can make something out of this.” I assure him I can, and I will and we continue talking about watching Cruising as a youngster, being invited to mud parties as an adult, and what he really thinks of the new puppy play craze.

Adam: Van, I’m sorry I’m calling you five minutes late. I’m glad I’m not there in person so you can’t punish me.

Van: Ha!

van-darkholme-2So let’s launch right into stuff. What are you guys working on right now? Bound in Public ended, right?

Just for now. We’re trying to re-formulate what we’re going to do for 2015. But I don’t want to say what’s coming out because I don’t want to say stuff and all of a sudden it’s not going to happen and I look like a jerk.

Can you talk in general terms? What do you think 2015 is gonna be about for Kink?

Right now we’re changing the format of our site so it will be more searchable, more user-friendly. We can suggest stuff, similar to how Netflix works. That kind of format. The site will intelligently learn what sort of stuff you tend you buy and we’ll suggest something similar that you’ll like. So it’s about format changing right now.

So if someone wants to search a certain type of bondage or pumps or clamps or things like that, they can search that way?

Yes. We’re going to have tagging and so if the shoot contains a pump it’ll say that and you can search that way. It’ll also suggest three other shoots that have pumps in it. Stuff like that.

Let’s talk a little bit about your history. I know you’ve been at Kink for a while now and I know you talked a little bit about this in the Kink documentary, but can you tell me again, for our readers, how you discovered you were kinky?

I grew up in the midwest, and there’s not much going on, so a lot of times I would just fantasize. It was a small farming community. It’s not like I could go to the city to find stuff. There was only five thousand people in the town. No stoplight. So what I did was I just fantasized cause I was horny in my teenage years. I started fantasizing about the football players, or some cute guys in the class. But for me the fantasy has to be real. It’s not realistic if this football player and I get together and have a romantic, loving relationship, because I can see that he’s with a girlfriend. But more real is that I knock him in the head and tie him up and have my way with him. That’s more realistic. That’s where the bondage stuff started to come in.

So your fantasies early on were mostly domination, or were you getting dominated too by the football players?

No, because then it’s not real. They’re not gonna want to tie up some goofy kid. What for? Just to beat the shit out of him and not to suck his dick. So it’s always the other way around. I’m always doing the dominating. I also went to Catholic boarding school when I was younger, in Vietnam. There were all these Caucasian Catholic Nuns. All the verbal stuff and the discipline and all the scenarios, I learned it all from the Catholic boarding school.

Were you heavily disciplined at those schools?

Oh yeah. Especially because I’m left handed. I got beat up a lot for that.

Because they think it’s the devil?

Yes. Then because my stepfather is Caucasian, and I have mixed half-brothers — half-Vietnamese, half-American brothers and sisters. In the school they would get teased and beat up and I would always try to defend them. So I would get disciplined for getting into fights and stuff.

Was there a moment when you were getting disciplined when you found yourself getting turned on and connected with it in a sexual way?

No, not really. Not at all. But like, every afternoon, all the boys would strip naked and line up in the courtyard and there would be a nun standing by the rainwater well and it’s like prison camp, we all do one step at a time, go up, get a scoop of water and pour it on our heads and soap up and go back to the circle. I would realize that the older boys who were 13, 14, 15 years old, they would get embarrassed, but the younger boys didn’t care. I found myself getting turned on by their humiliation at a younger age.

So what was your earliest real bondage experience? The earliest time when you really started to explore that side of you…

In my twenties. I’d been trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life and trying to make a living. I was working in a bank for a while. I wasn’t making a lot of money. Then I saw this video in the video store called “Fetish”, which was BDSM. It was kind of straight. Not gay. I watched it and I thought, I can do that. I can do that with my eyes closed. I’ve been doing it in my head all my life. I just thought, faking and doing it as I learned was the way to go. I put an ad out to be a dom, and I was very successful at it.

So you were a dom for a while, were you able to quit your job?

Oh yes, I had to. I couldn’t do both. It was impossible.

How long does it take before you decide to quit the bank and pursue a career in BDSM?

I was in Los Angeles, and I was like, “Where do I go to see some fetishy people? The leather bar?” They have this leather group that has meetings, but I go and end up feeling like I don’t belong there. It’s just a different kind of people, not my aesthetic, not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for the boy next door into bondage. Not like somebody who’s all leathered up for a long, long time. So I kind of start making videos for myself, because I enjoy doing that. It’s for me. But then I found out that I can sell this stuff, so I start making videos for others. I start my own company and the wholesalers just eat it up.

In the early days, there were restrictions, right? You couldn’t actually show sex in those early videos?

Right. You can’t show bondage and sex in the same frame.

So people couldn’t be being beaten up with a whip and being fucked at the same. 

You can, but you can’t be tied up. You can’t see someone tied up and being fucked.

Because it was a rape thing?

Yeah. It’s more about with DVDs, if you ship it to somebody in Kansas and it goes to the wrong house, and someone’s grandma is watching it, it’s somehow indecent. I didn’t make up the laws, it’s just what exists. You can go around that. You can show a wide shot of the guy tied up, bent over, and then you can the show the close up of the penetration.

Take me through a typical video.

I usually would get whoever was the hottest in West Hollywood and ask him if I can tie him up. So it was just guys getting tied up and having sex. When I first started the videos were very minimal. Not flogging and stuff. It was just about guys getting tied up – guys who you wouldn’t normally see getting tied up. It all goes back to my teenage fantasy. I’m just making that.

At what point do you start to think about the philosophical side of kink? Do you read up on historical S&M things?

That started when I met Daddy Zeus, because he saw my work and I ran into him somewhere and he recognized me and said he loved my stuff. I just melted because I’d seen his stuff for so many years when I was in school. We became good friends and he kind of became my mentor. That’s when I started thinking more about master and servant dynamics, relationships. But I didn’t develop it until I stepped into the Kink building in 2008. That’s when I was suddenly surrounded by world class directors and I learned a lot from them.

Do you start to look at classics like Born to Raise Hell or other things that are the big touchstones of BDSM porn?

The one porno that I love that’s inspired me most, I think is LA Plays Itself from 1972. I’m madly in love with Fred Halsted on the motorcycle. He works over a boy, bound in the closet on the top of these stairs. It inspired me mostly because of the visual. It’s a simple day to day setting – apartment, closet, a little rope- which turns into something extraordinary. There’s no need for the dungeon, BDSM gear etc. That was the first time I could really relate to BDSM. The rest of my influences are mostly just Daddy Zeus videos. I still tie people up with the hands the way he does and work somebody over. I learned the BDSM technique from him and how to be myself, and not to put on this macho “dom” act that we all think doms should behave like. He taught me to believe in my work and let it speak for itself – no need for hype or machismo. Oh, another funny thing is that when I was fifteen, sixteen, I saw Cruising on TV for the first time. That made a huge impression on me. Before that the only representation of a gay person I saw was Flip Wilson or that queeny guy from Bewitched and all the other queeny guys on the daytime game shows. I imagined that was what gay was.

Paul Lynde.

Yeah, and the guy who throws confetti all over the place.

Rip Taylor. 

Yeah. For me that was what gay was. When I saw Cruising I was like, oh my god, a gay guy has to go work out, he has to get in shape to be in a gay bar. That’s what I identified with.

Your view of gay people changed, but it was also tied in with this S&M underworld angle.

Exactly. I was watching that the whole time and I kept watching the door because I was afraid that my dad would walk in.

Van Darkholme with Derek Pain in a scene for Bound Gods.
Van Darkholme with Derek Pain in a scene for Bound Gods.

Do your parents know what you do now?

Well my father passed away. My mother doesn’t know.

What do you tell her that you do?

I just say I work in computers. It’s not that I’m ashamed of it, but it’s just she doesn’t have the capability of understanding it. She’s from the old world, she’s very old fashioned and superstitious. She would think i’m out murdering people or a criminal. For people who get it, I tell them. But it depends on if they can process it.

I imagine that kink porn viewers must be harder to please than most gay porn viewers. What kind of criticism do you get and how seriously do you take them?

There’s not a lot of it going around, so people are appreciative of anything with a high quality production. Before it used to be somebody in their basement with a sheet in the background. So people are very appreciative of anybody taking the time to have good production and good skills. The only thing is that everybody has their own fetish and they want to see it in each video. Somebody who has a glove fetish, they want to see it in every single video. If they don’t get it, all hell is gonna break loose.

Are there new fetish trends emerging?

I was just thinking about that the other day. A lot of the stuff in fetishes hasn’t changed since the sixties or seventies. The floggers still look the same. The mouth gags. The same blind folds. The leather looks the same as back in the seventies. The harnesses haven’t changed. Some people tried to do some asymmetrical style ones, but they didn’t catch on. The classic harness is still in style. If you go to Folsom that’s what everybody is wearing. It hasn’t really evolved much. The rope bondage came in like seven or eight years ago, and I think I’m one of the very first people who put it in porn videos.

You’d been doing the shibari rope stuff for a long time beforehand.

Yes. For the past five years shibari was huge, everybody’s doing it now. You click on bondage and there’s a thousand bondage websites with people doing that. I’ve been wondering a lot lately what the next thing is. But we don’t know. I would be a rich man if I knew.

I feel like the big thing that I see now, and maybe it’s just because I’m not necessarily in the scene, but I feel like everybody is getting really crazy about puppy play.  It seems to be replacing master and sub in some way. 

Yeah. I don’t see too much of that. When I see it usually I just roll my eyes.

Why do you roll your eyes at puppy play?

Oh, I don’t know. I’m gonna get the puppy community pissed off at me, but I guess it’s just a personal thing. For me, it has to be visually striking. I think it’s just my upbringing. That wasn’t in when I was growing up. Therefore I can’t relate to it. I’m more looking for something that’s sexually charged and visual, like a muscle guy tied up, or just a lean guy tied up with a rope real tight on his cock and just pulsating hard. To turn around and look at the visual of someone with a puppy mask and bouncing around and panting, I mean… [laughs] It’s just far from what gets my dick hard.

Do you have other kinks you won’t go near besides puppy play?

I’m fine with puppy play. I’m very neutral about it. I don’t hate it. I’ll come up and pet a puppy or smack him in the ass. I’m okay with it. Don’t get me wrong. Anyway, to answer your question, when I was in Germany, they invited me to a mud party, and just for a split second I was like, I’m in. But then I said, you know, there’s just some things in life that you don’t need to be in. So I turned that one down.

You didn’t go in the end?

No. I was really surprised because we went there a couple of years ago for the Hustlaball Berlin, and we went to a leather store and everybody was like, you’re the Bound Gods guy, I know who you are! So I was like, wow, all the way in Berlin? I was really surprised. They were like, come shoot in our store and come to our fair and we have a mud party. I said, okay, no thank you… You know that’s scat right? They call it mud…

I know it’s not real mud. Real mud might actually be an interesting fetish. 

Yeah, I’m into that. That’s about it.

In the porn and kink world, who do you see as your competition? 

I mean, I don’t usually look at other people because then I can’t sleep at night. I start comparing myself to others. I just try to focus on what I’m doing. I don’t do that. I don’t really know. Do you know? Sometimes, once in a while I’ll ask the models and they don’t know either.

Well all the other porn studios now try to do their own version of kink — Lucas has done kink stuff for years, and Hot House has their whole fisting leather thing — but they still operate within the realm of traditional porn. Your films feel much more spontaneous and complex. You’re also doing something different than underground bondage auteurs do. You’re using recognizable, established porn stars with porn star bodies, whereas other people are using guys who are more ordinary — that Treasure Island look. 

That’s why my films are different. Because I’m trying not to compete with other people or watch what they’re doing and emulate that. Even when I do the bondage, people take classes and courses, and their bondage comes out exactly the same the teacher and they get used to that. I try to figure it out on my own. It’s problem solving for myself, so it’s gonna look different. It’s a little messy. It’s not perfect. I like it messy because it emulates life. Life is not perfect. So if I Google bondage I know exactly which photo is mine because it’s a little messy. I like that.

Can you talk about that further? Tell me about a scenario or scene that you worked through in the way that you’re describing, maybe in a recent video or something that sticks out in your head.

Well, for instance with the rope work, usually I put a rope around someone’s chest. Today I decided to do something different. Instead of doing it the usual way, I wrapped it asymmetrically. I was like, “Wow this looks so good.” I had to take a photo because I would never remember to do it that way again.

So it’s about being creative in your bondage, as opposed to following the set pattern and procedure?

It’s that way for the entire shoot. I shoot three or four times a week. For me to sit there and plan something, that’s crazy. I’ll show up on the set, and look around and create on the fly. Usually my best work is when I do that. Throw things together and work with the chemistry of the models and their capability. When I first started out here, I would sit up and draw pictures and write dialogue and plan all these bondage suspension ideas and then the shoot day would arrive, and the model would arrive and say, “I can’t do that. I got a shoot tomorrow. I got a shoulder injury. I can’t be suspended.” So now I just go in and spend an hour and talk to them before the shoot and then I just create it on the fly.

Totally improvised?

Yes.

That’s impressive. One of my favorite scenes is the one where you’re dragging the guy through Folsom in the bear mask and the people are stepping up to piss on him. 

The piss is just impromptu. “I wanna pee on him.” I say, “Okay then pee on him!” Or like, we drag someone to the street, and I saw a bunch of recycling bins, so I grabbed his head and dunked it in and made him take up all the trash in his mouth and I shoved his body into the recycling bin and called him a recycling whore. I started beating him and making him shout it out to the crowd. It was all improvised.

I also liked the recent one where you made the guy wear a scooped out watermelon while getting fucked.

Again, we were at my friends grocery store, and from looking around I said, “Oh there it is, let’s do something with that.”

I mean that to me is super erotic because it’s like you’re creating something that didn’t exist before. You’re not like, lets’ get those masks and do that same thing again. 

Yeah.

Do you have any younger guys that you’re taking under your wing? Are you mentoring young directors of your own?

Yeah. For the past year I’ve been mentoring Sebastian Keys.

van-darkholme-2How does it feel?

It’s kind of weird because I don’t have a kid but it feels like what it must be like being a father. We’re literally father and son because I’m older than his dad. It’s so sad. Anyway, this is what I think it must feel like to have a kid.

Okay, let’s talk trash. Biggest disaster that you’ve ever experienced on set. 

That’s every week. If you see how we make this stuff, you’d be like, “What? How did they even manage to get the shoot done?” What I do is extremely difficult because like you said I pick well known actors, people who are not necessarily people who have done BDSM before. It’s my job to make them look like they know what they’re doing. It’s not easy. It’s extremely difficult.

So you have guys who come in and are like, “I’m game” and then you put the clothespins on and say we’re gonna pull them all off, and they say we’re not doing it?

No no no, it’s not that easy. They don’t come in and say, “I’m game for this.” They come and look really sad and scared and don’t want to be there.

Why do they come in? Do you pay really well?

We pay the same as everybody else. But I think there’s curiosity and it’s a challenge. I think because we have social media that everybody’s doing, so let’s say someone goes on Twitter and posts a crazy ass photo of them strung up and with all sorts of stuff on their cock and their porn friends see and are like, “What??? You did that?” So those friends are challenged and they want to do it.

So they signed up for bragging rights and then they step onto the set and realize, holy fuck I have to do this?

Yeah.

So what are the disasters? Take me into a typical disastrous everyday shoot.

Well the main thing is the boner. That’s the hardest thing. Trying to get everybody to get a boner, especially when you beat them up for an hour. Then you’re like, “Get a boner while you get beat up.” You have to stop and get a boner. Then get beat up again. I think I spend ten percent of my life waiting for people to cum. I’m giving away secrets of the set. People are going to be like, wow it’s not glamorous.

Well I think everybody knows by now that most porn sets are chaotic and aren’t glamorous. Do you have a favorite of your own films?

Usually my favorites are when I work with someone for a long time and then it’s time for them to have a breakthrough. And then it happens on film and it’s like wow… It’s amazing stuff. and i can honestly say that you’re not going to see this anywhere in the world except at Kink. I’m really proud of that.

You’re one of the few visible Asian performers and directors in gay porn. Do you feel proud of that – or is it a weird situation to be in?

Well, I mean, it’s a double edged sword. I get emails like by the hundreds, weekly, especially from Asia. It goes in waves. First was Japan, then South Korea, now it’s China. “Oh my god, you’re amazing, you’re my hero. So glad to see you in the world. I’m so proud of you.” I just say “Thanks, Stay in School!” (laughs) That’s the good part of it. They recognize me worldwide. They identify me because in something western there’s a face that they can relate to. But we also get haters. That’s just part of the business.

Guys who are like “This would be hotter if there wasn’t an Asian guy in there.” 

Or like, “Ew, he’s ugly, get him off the screen.” I think it’s all part of the business. You get the good with the bad. I’m not the only one being singled out. The funny part is sometimes I read the email, and then I Google it. Usually they turn out to be Asian from Canada or the US or Europe. It’s a self-hatred thing, and they project it onto me. I have a form email I send to them when I find that out. It’s not about being Asian but being a foreigner in general. I never think oh, they hate me or alienate me for being Asian. It’s more because I’m a minority race in a particular society. Growing up in Vietnam, the situation was reversed for my half white brothers and sisters. They were the minority race in a Vietnamese society and they were harassed a lot. So there isn’t any self hatred or inferiority complex on my part. I’m simply a minority/foreigner who chose to be here. I can change my situation anytime by moving to a place where I’m part of the majority. For me it’s geographic instead of race. It has a lot of pluses too because you’re basically an outsider, and you’re on the outside looking in. As an artist it helps because you can see the whole picture, instead of being in the middle of everything.

You’re an outsider in an outsider art. 

Exactly.

 

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Adam Baran is a filmmaker, blogger, former online editor of Butt Magazine and co-curator of Queer/Art/Film. His short film JACKPOT, about a porn-hunting gay teen, won Best Short Film at the Miami Gay and Lesbian Film Festival, and was recently featured on The Huffington Post, Queerty, and Towleroad, among others. He is a features programmer at Outfest Los Angeles LGBT Film Festival and NewFest in New York. In his spare time, he complains about things to his friends. “Fisting for Compliments”, his weekly musings about the intersection of sex, art, porn, and history, will appear every Monday on TheSword. You can contact him at Adam@TheSword.com and follow him on Twitter at @ABaran999. Check out his previous columns in the Fisting For Compliments Archive.

31 thoughts on “Van Darkholme Talks Kink, Directing Scared Models, and Being Asian In Porn”

  1. I remember several years ago when subscribers mentioned multiple times in the online forums at Kink.com that Van is a hot man but they really wondered why he included himself as an actor in almost every single film.

    You can believe this is racism or whatever but it is reality.

    Van has inserted himself as an actor in so many of the gay movies on Kink.com that it has ruined that part of the site for many people.

    I don’t care what color a porn actor is, if they insist on being in almost every movie of an otherwise really hot and nasty web site that is really not good.

    If you are one of his fans that is great. You have a lot of videos to see him in action.

    Even Jake Cruise started pairing up other actors and stepped behind the camera to continue making porn.

    Playing the race card in this specific situation is absolute bullshit.

    Van does not have to be in almost EVERY single one of these films.

  2. Van is a superstar!!! I’m sad that he seems to have stepped away from an active on-screen role at Kink. One of the things I really love about him is the humanity he brings to the dom role. Yeah, he’s beating the crap out of some guy, or pushing his limits in getting fucked or whatever, but his laugh is loving and friendly, not sadistic. I’d feel totally trusting having him tie me up, knowing he’s good at heart and would respect my limits.

    He’s also a hot guy, and I’d love to see some vids where he has his clothes off.

    Sebastian’s cool, but I long to see more of Van.

    Great interview!

  3. Great interview.

    I think Van is a hot guy. It’s fun watching kink videos with an attractive, well built top who is REALLY into BDSM action instead of these videos where the guys clearly aren’t into that heavy of play. I would love to get tied up by Van and get my ass beaten black and blue:)

    1. i also think Van is hot. i am a member of bound gods and i miss Van. i would also enjoy being tied by him and flogged by him

  4. Thank you Adam for that interview..some things I didn’t know:) Some I did and particularly the racism as I have read and received some comments which I trashed.

    I have known Van for several years starting when he picked me out of thousands of members on a male fetish forum where I had a few photos posted. It was a long time before I ventured out to see him because I was very nervous but its been a wild ride since. He was my first real experience with shibari and the initial guppy/apprehensive feelings I had getting naked in front of a room full of people I will never forget (in a great way:).

    I have had some of my most amazing experiences with BDSM through him. He is exceptionally gifted at what he does and just as importantly how he does it. It is a very complicated business because as he says it involves people who can change attitudes and desires in an instant. And there are so many legal boundaries to be careful of. With that in mind I have never been concerned about my own well being in his or his crews hands. This is a very respectful company and it’s indoctrinated everywhere by everyone inside of the building they operate out of.

    For all those who dont understand what BDSM is all about take it from me a sub who has done just about anything you can imagine and then some you could not. You will likely never understand most kinks because they are hard wired in into the persona and like fingerprints everyone has different tastes. Much to much to explain in a message board.

    A great interview but guys judge him by his work and skill-sets if you must but really cant you leave the ethnicity out of it?

    Be good or bad whatever makes you happy.

    Thanks Adam and Van for sharing.
    Derek Pain

  5. Van used to be handsome back then when he worked with Titan, and did that wrestling video that starred Mark Wolff and Billy Henderson. His body is still nice looking, but I don’t find his face all that attractive.

  6. There are really attractive asian men. He’s not one of them. His scenes don’t do anything for me. The props and kink are just goofy and detract from the sexiness.

  7. I’ve never understood the attraction of this kind of pretend dress up and “cowboys and Indians” stuff. That first pic of the guys tied up with blocks of wood or whatever in their mouths looks silly not sexy.

    1. It’s like some guys would never find whats to sexy about a naked guy getting fucked by another naked guy. We all have different tastes sir.

  8. I looooove Butt Machine Boys! Van, if you’re reading this PLEASE make some more of those vids. Also, the e-stim scene with Spencer Reed and Jessie Colter having “The Most Violent Orgasm In Bound Gods History” is probably one of the hottest videos I’ve ever seen!

  9. Thanks for the interview! Always enjoy Kink for the attractive guys, the hot sex and I am often amazed at how Van always finds a new twist to keep things fresh.

  10. I wish I got to see him perform more on screen, he is seriously such a DILF! It sucks that racist assholes comments have seem to push him behind the camera most of the time.

  11. He’s the reason I never renewed beyond the first month. Can’t stand the direction. Can’t stand his involvement. Can’t stand his voice. Watching him is like watching Jake Cruise, Bryan from Chaosmen or the guy from Military Classified having sex with their models. No thanks! Kudos to Kink though for introducing John Smith to the gay community. He’s sexy as hell, sorely underused and unfortunately poorly videoed. His body needs to be explored by the camera.

  12. Wow this was an excellent interview and shocking at the same time, first you mean that bdsm really happened in real life coz he said he advertised himself as Dom(?) then. And the picture above and the beating up of bottom actors were real gosh that’s kinda sadistic. Why there are people let themselves to be treated like that we people spending money for lotion and moisturizer then we abuse are skins by whipping OMG.
    Infairness to him he’s kinda cute and hot Ive seen a porn like this on straight movie but I didnt give attention bcoz it’s pitiful to see them suffering.

  13. Thanks for the interview. Would love to have known what is going on at Kink. Its too bad they got rid of Bound in Public. But if that is too extreme what about just gang bangs? Its very hard to find a good gay gang bang. I am no longer a member but if they improve stuff, I may join again. Or what about bukkake or other kinks. There are so many untapped gay porn markets out there for fetish lovers.

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