Did Bel Ami’s Mick Lovell Get In Trouble For Doing Live Webcam Shows On Flirt 4 Free??

Uh oh…

Mick Lovell is a Bel Ami exclusive who refuses to speak to me, and it seems as though his time as a webcam model on Flirt 4 Free is over, thanks to what I’m assuming is a strict contract with Bel Ami that does not allow for such moonlighting with competitors. He deleted all his tweets linking to his F4F profile page, and the profile page itself has been deleted, too. Today he told his fans that he was “done” with the webcam service.

I can’t imagine pure and innocent Mick Lovell ever getting into any trouble or doing anything wrong on purpose, but even angels make mistakes now and then. Did Bel Ami punish Mick Lovell for trying to go back to his webcam roots (where he could make his own money without having to share it with anyone)? Will you watch Mick Lovell on the new “Bel Ami Cam” experience?

Will Mick Lovell ever acknowledge that I exist?
I’m not gonna be ignored, Mick.

 

 

33 thoughts on “Did Bel Ami’s Mick Lovell Get In Trouble For Doing Live Webcam Shows On Flirt 4 Free??”

  1. What is wrong with you people? There isn’t a porn site on the planet with 10’s of thousands of members? You are crazy and you obviously don’t work in the business. It’s hilariously I keep responding to these comments. BelAmiOnline has 10’s of thousands of members period. and yes Mick makes six figures I know it for a fact. Also Dolph Lambert from BelAmi just bought his own fucking condo and all of their exclusives— all 40 plus live very well. Yes I know this for a fact. get over it.

    1. LOL. Dolph works for BA so he can pay for his education. If BA had 10’s of thousands of members its forum would be a lot busier and there would be much more comments on their download page. I know this for a fact. Get over it. Sometimes people seem to forget that only a few percent of the population is gay and of those that are few are actual members of a gay porn site. A 1000 for BA may be to low but to say its “10’s of thousands” is stretching it beyond imagination. But whatever the actual number of their memberships is: BA makes the best gay porn on this side of the Atlantic and probably in the world.

      1. more than 10k members is probably a mark that not a huge amount of websites get to, but quite a few do. BelAmiOnline does have more than that by quite a bit, and i do know another few sites that have up to 30k (and not everyone shares there figures, so there may be more)

      2. Dutch, you are clueless! According to compete.com, belami has a total traffic of a bit over 120,000 unique visitors / month. 30,000 membership means 25% of the traffic on the website is made by members.

        Considering that Bel Ami offers very little to no free content, so very little incentive to visit the website without being a member, I think that 30,000 is actually less than the real number. For example, for one of the large webcam sites, the rate of members to free visitors is closer to 1/2, and keep in mind that webcam sites offer plenty of free content.

        But let’s take the 30,000 as an accurate number. This means that every month the studio gets from membership alone close to 800,000 euro (not dollar, euro). Add about 40% on sales of DVD’s and PPV. Let’s say they pay ALL the models $4000 (aprox 3000 euro) / scene and that they release a totally new scene every day of the month(this means not scenes split in 2 for 2 days or re-makes, etc.). This means $240,000 for models, let’s say another $100,000 for production and another $250,000 company costs (website maintenance, salaries of other employees, rent etc. which is a huge number in Central and Eastern Europe).

        Does it still seem like little or unreasonable?

        1. Belami has free trailers of their main scenes on the site. Lots of gay boys and guys scrouge the internet for this free material. And because BA is a well known name in gay porn land it automatically attract lots of visitors. If Google Trends is correct unique visitors from China and Brazil take the third and fourth place for BA’s website(after visitors from the USA and Germany). How many BA members do you think live in China and Brazil (both countries well known for piracy)? I think if one is talking about porn sites the relationship between unique visitors and membership might be a very loose one.

          BA has two real sex scenes each week: one on Thursday and one on Saturday. Monday: Announcement of the model of the week (only pictures), Tuesday: Flashback scene, Wednesday: Model of the week video, Thursday: sex scene, Friday: Photo’s of a forthcoming scene, Saturday: Sex scene, Sunday: Solo casting (amateur model). So $4000 will only be paid for the Thursday and Saturday update (8 scenes per month). The Wednesday and Sunday models will certainly get paid much less. The Flashback scene can be years old so I don’t think $4000 is a reasonable figure. Model of the week scene can also be filmed some time ago. Two weeks ago the Model of the Week scene was filmed in 2005!

          How many employees BA has got? Not so many as you problaby think. BelAmiAlan and BelAmiStuart I know for sure. Maybe someone for the website and computer technics and maybe one or two administrative hands.

          You wrote: “Let’s say they pay ALL the models $4000 (aprox 3000 euro) / scene and that they release a totally new scene every day of the month(this means not scenes split in 2 for 2 days or re-makes, etc.). This means $240,000 for models”. As you can probably conclude from what I wrote above this figure is based on a false view of BA’s weekly updates. My calculation for the total amount of the monthly models payment costs is as follows: 8 hardcore sex scenes per month x 2 (I assume 2 models per scene) = 16 models x $ 4000 = $ 64.000. I assume that the Model of The Week gets $2000 which is generous I think. 4 x $ 2000 = $ 8.000. Sunday Model: let’s say $1.000 but that is problaby too much. 4 x $1.000 = $4,000. Flashback scene is a guess but let’s say $ 2000 x 2 models x 4 = $ 16.000 (which is again probably way too much).
          So my total for the models is: $ 64.000 + $ 8000 + $ 4000 + $ 16000 = a total of $ 92000

          Do you think this figure is unreasonable? I think it makes more sense than your $240000.

  2. I happen to know for a fact what BelAmi models make and it shows how much of a mess this business is that you guys find it unbelievable that a studio can pay 3- 4,000 per scene to a model. Mick Lovell makes SIX FIGURES A YEAR, FACT… You might also look at the fact BelAmiOnline has 10s of thousands of members and they sell DVDs still like it’s 10 years ago. Just annoying when people who have no idea about the business talk like they know for fact what’s up!

    1. 10s of thousands of members? I think they are closer to a thousand (of which I am one so you can’t accuse me of being a BA hater). Just as for every other gay porn company DVD sales are not what they used to be. G. Duroy said so himself on the BA forum. Most gay porn viewers are more interested in web based content and only diehard fans will purchase DVDs.

      1. 1,000 members? Never mind you are an idiot. THEY WOULDN’T BE IN BUSINESS WITH A THOUSAND MEMBERS!!!!!! You lost all credibility!

        1. Just as you claimed that you knew for a “FACT!” that Mick Lovell is making six figures.

          You know it’s always amusing to hear porn stars claim they are making such great $$$, but when they “retire” many of them are in worse shape financially then they were before getting into porn.

    2. Not much point trying to inform you since you already know everything, but I must make it clear: there is not a porn site on the planet that has 10’s of thousands of members.

      1. Uh, yes there are. I’ve worked with a few sites and seen their membership stats first hand. One had almost 40,000 active members a couple years ago.

          1. BA membership has grown 60% in the past 2 years according to GD. Apparently going with more condom free content and getting less vanilla worked. BA has been and contnues to be one of the most successful Gay porn sites. He talks all the time about spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for different trips to SA and other places. The idea of the abused porn star seems to almost be a religion to you. Why is it so impossible for you to believe that he is well-paid even after the owner of the site comes on to TELL you he is well paid? There’s no doubt that if he’s paying between 50 and 100k for exclusive contracts that a beauty like Mick would be at the high end of that.

  3. Exclusive contracts mean that he can’t perform for any other studio, website, and cam or tube site. I think it can also extend to escorting and club (strip) appearances. With the internet there are no regional limits (where a model in only under contract for only a specific region like Europe). Why would a studio pay ‘big bucks’ when the model shows off ‘for free’ on a cam site or uploads hardcore clips on tube sites or tumblr?

  4. No doubt many studios pay very little to models. Bel Ami is not one of them. Top class models gets 4k per scene and none of American models invited to Prague ever get less tan 3k per scene. Bel Ami is NOT taking any percentage from other related earnings (chats,books,sex-toys, public appearances…). All the money go to models. The only problem with F4F was that BA scheduled Micks chat with different business partner. GD

    1. Are you for real? So two models at 4k each a scene, plus someone to film, photograph, edit, upload, make trailers, edit stills.

      You’d be looking at a cost at over 10k per scene.

      Hardly seems viable.

  5. Mick commented himself that he was a little tipsy and having fun when he did it… yeah, he made some coin, but I think it was more about being buzzed and having fun. …. I dont think it was an overt attempt to violate his contract… he was just having fun… No reason to get crucified… Just got dickslapped by Bel Ami.. and he’s learned his lesson and wont do it any more..

    1. Nooooooo way. I think you’re being more than a bit disingenuous. If they paid so well they wouldn’t mostly recruit eastern European boys who consider themselves lucky to make more than a couple of hundred dollars a month (in contrast to their peers). Besides, if Mick was making $10,000 a month, he wouldn’t even bother with F4F.

      1. He’s not bothering with flirt4free Ba said stop and he stopped. Michael Vick was making millions and he still bothered with dog fights. People get greedy. I wasn’t speculating as to what the models make. GD stated on the forum that American models will make between 50 to 100 k and that a scout can make 4 k for signing a model. I assume that Mick would be at the higher end of the spectrum. Spencer Fox briefly worked with BA, and in one of his rare moments of lucidity commented on Brady making 10 k a month and Brady in an interview said that BA pays 4 times what he made for his other porn company. I doubt very seriously if Dolph or Kris is making a “couple of hundred” a month. As for why he’d recruit Americans, it may have something to do with An American in Prague being the best-selling gay porn film of all time.

        1. OneOfTheManyChris

          I would assume Mick is on the lower end of the spectrum, actually. He isn’t known to have done any adult work other than Flirt 4 Free before Bel Ami. He had no fan base to speak of. They filmed a large amount of “preliminary” stuff (solos, stills) which is standard for Bel Ami when they are dealing with an unskilled model. And then they filmed the “first time” scene which is also pretty standard for Bel Ami and basically means twice the work while they coach the model and the twice the cost for a scene that may be a little unique but will not make twice the money.

          When Bel Ami signed him they had no reason to think he’d take off the way he did. You can’t compare Mick to Brady Jensen in this regard. And Spencer Fox is not a reliable source for anything, but the quotes you cite do seem to add up to Brady making 100k and Mick making half that.

          Bel Ami gambled on him, and they won. I’m sure they’re happy about it, but maybe Mick has done the math and realized that he’s on the box cover with Kris Evans but not getting paid nearly as much as Kris Evans.

          1. It’s not much of a “gamble”, look at him! GD also predicted early on that Mick would be a top model, and he was right. He also was the first American model to get an exclusive contract, a sign that he undestood his value. So, again, i maintain that he’d be on the higher end of the spectrum.

          2. Again, I seriously doubt Kris Evans is making the equivalent of USD $100,000 a year. The Bel Ami boys are typically desired around the world, but none of them are particularly well off.

        2. If my information is correct (won’t reveal the source, sorry!)the going rate in the Czech gay porn industry is the following: solo —> $250 – $400, top —> $ 750 – $ 1000, bottom —> $ 1000 – $ 1500. The average monthly income in the Czech Republic lies around $ 950 but this is an average and young guys no doubt are well below that figure. I guess that because BA has more money to spend and has the best models they will pay more per scene but to say that a BA model can make $ 100.000 a year I find very hard to believe. For models there is no such money to be earned in the Czech gay porn industry. Even if the figures that G. Duroy mentions below are correct a model has to do a lot of scenes to get to that figure. How many scenes with Mick BA has put on its website so far? 10 of which 2 are two parters so that comes to 8. Do the maths.
          Also, BA is not filming every week of the year. Many scenes are shot in South Africa in a relative short time span. Between filming models have much time to spare and what better thing one can do than to earn some extra money on F4F?

  6. CF’s Stefan appears on Cam4 on a regular basis. I think the studios are getting more lax with their guys seeking extra income since they don’t pay shit!

  7. Someone mentioned it in BA’s message board and the Webmaster said something to the effect of “It’s on, until i remind Mick who he works for!” Bel Ami is re-starting its chat service soon and Mick Got the idea that if he’s allowed to chat with fans on their web-site, he can chat anywhere. The webmaster gently informed him that this is not the case. Not a really big deal.

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